I have the utmost respect for Mike Gene at Telic Thoughts but I am compelled to offer my disagreement with his recent 2 postings on his characterization of Christians and ID, here and here. Although this blog is not as popular or prominent as Telic Thoughts who by Mike Gene’s own acknowledgement is mostly ID evolutionists. This blog is mainly ID Creationists. So this posting will be my response to Mike and Collins’ comments.
Yet Collins can speak to dozens, even hundreds, of churches and I’m afraid the payoff will remain quite meager. The reason is simple; the notion that science and faith conflict is not housed solely within the Church. On the contrary, this is the war cry of those who seek to advance an agenda of secularism.
I agree Collins’ message will not be popular to Christians but not for the reason that Mike thinks. I will explain in a minute. There is a culture war between people of faith and the secularists. However, this is not the reason why Christians reject Darwinism. It is not even because of the jaundice views of Dawkins lending support to Darwinism.
The problem with Collins and TE’s messages is the missing teleology. There are some Christians who would not even accept ID simply because it does not affirm the God of the Bible. Then there are those like myself (Biblical literal fundamentalists) who find common ground with all those who allow teleology in biology. I can coexist with other IDists although we disagree with the evidence for common descent. The problem with Collins and TE is that the message they are pushing is EXACTLY the same as those from secular Darwinists.
This is what makes design an inherently teleological process. ” And unfortunately for Collins’, he quickly forgets this point.
Mike is bull’s-eye on this point. Ken Miller states” The existence of a supreme being simply is not a scientific question. A supreme being stands outside of nature. Science is a naturalistic process and can only answer questions about what is inside nature. Beyond that it’s a matter of personal belief.” I don’t know if Collins agrees with Miller’s statement or not, but I have not heard him dispute it.
The problem with Miller and Collins is that their message is the same as the secularists. There is no indication that God is involved in evolution. They claim to be Christians and invoke the right Christian terms like “believer in Jesus Christ” . These are vacuous terms for Christians when he leaves God out of the process. His professed faith is not the faith of the Bible or that of historic Christianity. He wants Christians to embrace a blind faith, the Kantian faith of blind allegiance without any empirical basis. Contrary to popular belief historic Christianity is not a faith based on credulity. It is a rational faith. Christians and this one in particular is willing to follow the evidence wherever it leads. If he wants to convince Christians on the merits of Darwinian science then make his case based on the evidence alone. But please, please, do not ask us to accept Christianity on blind faith as he does and Darwinism on the argument from authority. Collins as a Christian should cut his fellow believers in Christ some slack when they challenge and dispute his own evidential acceptance for Darwinian evolution.
So in conclusion, while I agree with Mike that a Collins’ smack down of Dawkins would be nice, but it still will not make his Darwinian message any more palatable to Christians. The only acceptable message from TE is the allowance for teleology into the process of evolution such as those held by Behe. Collins has to choose sides in this battle. He can’t come to Christians as a Trojan Horse and claim that he is one of us while promoting the exact same message as a secular Darwinists. If he wants to be accepted by the secularists as a great and intellectually powerful scientist by allying with their view of science, that is fine and more power to him. However, don’t pretend that his view is in concert with the Christian faith, as we understand it for the last 2000 years.