Feb 052006

ID critics have long prevaricated ID as Creationism. The Darwinian PR campaign is certainly effective with the initiates. There are many fronts to the Darwinian PR campaign. We’ve seen their deception in the mainstream media and in pop culture TV programs.

Since I believe that Darwinian evolution is essentially an atheistic philosophy and not real science, the current ID debate has prompted certain ancillary criticism on Christianity. A recent example of such an attack was promoted in the science fiction series Stargate SG-1. This post is intended to defend against such attacks raised by the Stargate SG-1 program.

In season 9 of the Stargate series, it has introduced a race of Ascended beings called the Ori. The Ori are extremely powerful beings that once had physical bodies but now have evolved to an incorporeal plane of existence, giving them a godlike quality. (For more information on the Ori follow the above link.) The Ori are evil beings because they deceive their followers to worship them for their own benefits, in essence they gain strength from the worship of their followers. Anyone who refuses to worship them would be killed. The Ori also give false hope to its’ followers of the promise of Ascension, which provides immortality and enlightenment.

The worshippers of this Ori are portrayed as dupes who reject science and rationality. The worshippers would blindly annihilate an entire planet full of people at the whim of the Ori. These worshippers have been brainwashed to fear and obey the Ori with unquestioning loyalty and contrary to all moral discernments.

One more interesting aspect of the Ori is that they are the evil counterpart of another group of Ascended beings, who was called the Ancients. Long before the Ascension, the Ancients and Ori are of the same race. There was split that developed between these 2 groups. The Ori were very dogmatic and became very religious. The Ancients believed in science. (Do you see a parallel between these fictional groups and the real world Christians and atheistic Darwinists? Let me also digress here to make another point. Although the sci-fi writers here are attempting to emphasize the noble character of science, they missed the fact that Ascension is not a scientific endeavor, because both the Ori and Ancients were able to Ascend from both a science and anti-science perspective. What’s an even more glaring contradiction to their attempt to put science on this pedestal is the fact that they rely on the eastern mysticism of enlightenment for their Ascension concept. How much more anti-science is that?)

The points that the sci-fi writers have raised are these.
1. The Ori are evil beings with godlike powers, which deceive people into worshipping them for their own benefit.
2. The worshippers are irrational dupes.
3. Religious fanatics are anti-science and they are evil, while science minded people are noble beings.
4. We must reject a god that would destroy people merely because we refuse to believe in him/her.

There is no doubt that the writers have popularized the proverbial criticisms of Christianity in their stories. I say Christianity specifically because there have been other instances where the dialogues make specific references to Biblical characters. What is surprising to me (although it shouldn’t be) is that they trot out these proverbial criticisms but never researched the apologetics responses to their criticisms.

Like the Devil these criticism of Christianity mixes 9 parts truth with 1 part lie. God does not condemn people just because they don’t believe in Him. This is a gigantic LIE. People are put into hell (permanently separated from God) because they have sinned against God. You would not be thrown into hell even if you did NOT BELIEVE in God at all, if you are able to live a perfect and sinless life. NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE is thrown into hell for disbelieve. We are all convicted for our sins. The belief in God is a gift from God to rescue us from the inevitable. Because God loved His Creation and not wanting any should perish, He reached out His hand to rescue us through His own sacrifice. When we say that we refuse to believe in God, we are essentially slapping His reached out hand to rescue us.

Like the Devil these sci-fi writers reinforces the LIE by suggesting that even if this God exists. His demands for believe and worship suggests that there must be a nefarious motive behind His demands. If you are able to establish the LIE as truth then of course you can build on top of that lie. The problem is that the premise that believe in God is the first transgression is false makes the rest of the arguments mute. The God of the Bible unlike the sci-fi god is an uncaused First Cause. God does not require worship or believe to sustain or enrich Him. He has existed before the beginning and will exist with or without us through eternity. Then there is our judgment of God and the morality of punishment (or the consequences of our choices). If the God of the Bible does exist then He is the Creator of us all. If we have any moral compass then it is naturally derived from Him, for we cannot have a morality that exist outside of what was designed in us by God. Secondly, if we are Creatures and He is the Creator, our “free will” must be subservient to the Sovereignty of God.

Finally, there is the charge that religious people are dupes and anti-science. When in truth it is the opposite. As I’ve said before the writers who want to tout science in fact rely on eastern mysticism as the basis for their group that is scientifically minded. Like the current day Darwinists who accuse IDists as anti-science when in fact Darwinists are the ones who ignores all empirical evidences in science and promote an agenda of atheistic humanism. Darwinists resort to irrational speculations of multiverse to avoid and defer the rational implication of the uncaused First Cause.

  10 Responses to “Stargate SG-1 Joins the Attack on Christianity”

  1. I am not anglophone, so i apologize for the language mistakes.
    I would essentially have two critics about your post.
    *The Oris pretend to be uncaused creators, and their believers ignore that the Oris, in a sense, feed on them.
    *If the god (no matter if he actually exist or not) doesn’t need faith to survive, religions do. Here is more a thought about the fact to believe and act in a religious way, than about the existence of a supreme being. In “stargate SG1”, superior entities do exist, but humans are wrong to follow their will.

  2. I would essentially have two critics about your post.
    *The Oris pretend to be uncaused creators, and their believers ignore that the Oris, in a sense, feed on them.

    I guess what you mean here is to suggest that the God of the Bible is also pretending to be an uncaused creator? You are correct that if that is the case than He does not deserve our worship or obedience. The problem is that your criticism has no merits. There is no evidence internal to Christianity to suggest that. There is also no evidence externally from the scientific perspective to suggest that either. The God of the Bible that we follow is the Creator of time and space. We know that the universe is not eternal and it has a beginning and it will have an end, with respect to the 2nd law of thermodynamics. Everything that we can comprehend and know of the natural world affirms the God of the Bible not contradict It.

    In “stargate SG1”, superior entities do exist, but humans are wrong to follow their will.

    Again I am not talking just about a superior being. I am talking about our existence being created Ex Nihilo, out of nothing, by our Creator.

    An off topic point to your 2nd point is that if there are only superior entities and no Creator then there is no objective way to judge right from wrong. Your comment would be in error because you have no moral basis to make such a value judgment.

  3. Just one point to make, for clarity of doctrine/theology (although it may be long)
    You said,
    “You would not be thrown into hell even if you did NOT BELIEVE in God at all, if you are able to live a perfect and sinless life. NO ONE, I repeat NO ONE is thrown into hell for disbelieve”

    This is not true because unbelief is sin. Paul states. “For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin.” Romans 14:23 (ESV) and Deuteronomy 6:5 states, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might” This is the great command that Jesus himself echoes in the New Testament and is the command for all of God’s creation. Therefore, no one can be in unbelief towards God and live a perfect and sinless life because to not believe or have faith in God is sin (and only one person ever did, or was ever capable of, living perfectly without committing and sins of omission or commission, and that was Jesus [God with us]). Furthermore, it can be said that unbelief is the root of ALL sin! Adam and Eve did not believe that what God told them was true, instead they doubted, and even temporarily believing Satan’s lie (that God was with holding something good from them that they should have or deserved) they brought sin into the world and the curse of death, decay, animosity and bondage upon ALL of us. And each time we do not believe what God’s word commands us to do or not to do we sin. Or when we don’t trust in His promises or His sovereignty, resulting in fear, impatience, anxiety or other terrible feelings we are in sin. Only there is wonderful news””But God, being rich in mercy because of the great love with which He has loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, has made us alive, together, with Christ”for by grace you have been saved, through faith, and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God” Ephesians 2:4-5,8-9 (ESV). Paul elsewhere says, “For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. For one will scarcely die for a righteous person– though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die– but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God” Romans 5:6-9. This is the Gospel (Good News) that “God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.” We are all sinners and deserve to suffer the wrath of God for an eternity in Hell. In Romans 3:23 Paul says, “”for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” And again in Romans 6:23, “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Even the prophet Ezekiel says several times, “The soul who sins shall die” despite all this God gave the Son whom he loved so that sinful man could have a relationship with a righteous God, who is worthy of all glory.
    God did design us to worship Him and give Him glory, not because he needs it (He needs nothing), but out of kindness and love. To know Him, love Him, and enjoy Him is to glorify Him. As Pastor John Piper says, “God is most glorified by us when we are most satisfied in Him.” But what everyone on earth needs to understand is that this is a gift. Because the joy we find in God surpasses all understanding, and is more satisfying than we can imagine. This happiness is infinitely more intense and pure than any pleasure you can know on earth. In fact He has to supernaturally prepare us for the intense weight of His glory, and the enormity of the pleasure we will experience when we “see His face.” This is of course a reference to the eternity that those of us who have put our faith in Christ will spend with God; dwelling in His presence, after Christ’s return and God completes the redemption of His creation. While all who do not believe suffer in Hell forever. Stop and give me moment before you become offended if you are reading this and you’re not a Christian. As Paul clearly states in Ephesians and elsewhere; there is NO DIFFERENCE in the people who are saved to Heaven and those who are condemned to Hell, EXCEPT that God Himself chooses to save some and pour out His well-deserved wrath on others. In fact we are all blessed that He does not strike us down the very first time we sin. Both groups are sinners who deserve to be punished, but God IS rich in mercy and instead of leaving all to perish, in His mercy, He saves some. Paul also says in God’s word, “What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory.” Everything that we know, now and forever, is all about God’s glory. The Bible mentions that He chooses the elect from eternity past, ordaining them for good works that he puts on their hearts to perform. It also says that He chooses them as a people for His own possession. What a wonderful thing to hear, that God has called you, chosen you to be His, saved you from the sin you where enslaved to, so that you can spend an eternity in a real world of unimaginable perfection with Him. Being FULLY satisfied in every way by His infinite presence. That He would take your rebellious heart of stone and turn it in to a heart of flesh that was now able to love Him.

    Well I have probably said far more than anyone cares to read, but if anything I have said has struck you as the truth that it is. If you are aware that you have sinned and you wonder how you can ever be reconciled with a perfectly holy and righteous God, then please email me at phigameh@yahoo.com. I want to tell you more about how Jesus was the perfect sacrifice God required. He atoned for our sin, taking God the Father’s wrath and judgment upon himself, so that we might be forgiven and seen as having His righteousness. If this sounds too good to be true, that is because it is so good that it is the perfect gift of God. It is true and all you have to do to receive forgiveness is to genuinely believe that Christ paid for all your sins with His death on the cross, and that he proved His victory over sin and death by rising from the dead. That this is possible because as the “Son of God” He is both God and Man. And then just ask Him for forgiveness and accept the relationship with Him that He freely offers.

  4. Hi phigameh,

    Thank you for taking the time to make your comment. I agree mostly with what you said. You are even partly right about not having faith as a sin. First it depends on what you mean by faith. If by faith as in the context of the original post as not believing in the existence of God then that in itself is not a sin. Taking a slightly different perspective on what Paul said, if we as gentiles do not believe and is able to live a perfect life according to the law that God has placed in our conscience, then we have not sinned. The problem is that none of us is able to do even that. We are born sinners. As you have quoted there is no one righteous, not even one. So the problem is not in disbelieving the existence of God, but the acts of sins that we invariably commit during our lives.

    14What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, 16and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? 17So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

    18But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe–and shudder! 20Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? James 2:14-20
    So mere believe or disbelieve in God’s existence is not sufficient to warrant eternal hell. Even when Eve was tempted and doubted what God had commanded, her eyes were not yet opened until she and Adam both ate of the fruit. It was the final act of disobedience that actually brought sin and death into the world. You should also noticed that before, during and after the act of eating the fruit of good and evil, Adam and Eve still believe in the existence of God. So again faith in the sense of believing in the existence of God is irrelevant in terms of sin.
    Second, faith after the fall takes on a different connotation. Before the fall faith was about obedience to God’s command. Faith after the fall is about believing and trusting in the grace and salvation of God. Because after the fall it was no longer about not committing a sin, we’ve already sinned. We are born with a fallen nature and therefore it is no longer about resisting the temptation of not eating the forbidden fruit. It is about recognizing we are fallen creatures in need of a savior. Our faith now becomes trusting in God and His redemption that is in Jesus Christ. This is the reason why when an individual rejects God and do not believe in Him, they are consigned to hell, because they must pay for the wages of their own sin which is death. Again it is not about disbelieve in God but paying for what is due. You actually have hinted as this point but didn’t flush the reasoning behind what faith means in the context of a sinful nature.
    Finally, let me bring this back to the point of the OP and that is God is under attack by the atheistic humanists, who by eliminating God, by default establishes themselves as God. They suffer the same fault as Adam and Eve did when they ate of the fruit from the tree of good and evil. They have become the sole interpreter of what is good and evil, and be like God. Stargate SG-1 is using this new theme to attack Christianity, when in fact it is a strawman argument. It is a distortion of what Christianity actually represents and of reality. I don’t know but maybe they have new writers who are strident atheists and anti-ID. Since in the contorted Darwinist’s mind ID=Christianity, one way for them to attack this ID vs. Darwinism debate is to attack Christianity. If you have any doubt SG-1 is targeting Christianity. In the season 9 finale, they have weaved the non-sexual conception of Vela (can’t use the word virgin because she is not a virgin).

  5. This looks a lot like the typical Catholic vs. Calvinist Debate. For shame. This was supposed to be about Stargate’s subtle yet not-so-subtle attack on Christianity, or perhaps all religion. To be honest I love the show. I really get into it. And for the most part I can see where they get their preconceptions about religion. The biggest problem with their attacks is that they are not really attacking the Faith but rather it’s follower’s. I am sure that most of the people “IDists” as you call them, that Darwin enthusiasts find themselves debating are those who are not very scientifically minded. Not everyone is interested in Science or even how the world works. Many Christians are content with it working and that is all that matters. In a way I see a silver lining on the cloud of the persecution from the scientists because it is causing Christians all around the world to grow in understanding not only with understanding the current science of our world but also finding out more how wonderful and miraculous God’s Creation really is. A Non-believing Scientist can explain the intricate details of reproduction in humans but cannot explain what triggers this reaction of the egg to split. The Believer has known for ages that God gives us the gift of children. It seems when it comes down to it when a scientist can’t explain something God often steps in and declares loudly that it is from Him. The scientist usually rejects this and hopes that science will one day explain it. When it does it usually confirms that which was assumed by the believer was the explanation all along. Scientists give it a funny name and take all the credit.

    1 Corinthians 1:18 For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
    19 For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
    20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
    21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.
    22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom;
    23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness,
    24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
    25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
    26 For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called.
    27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
    28 and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are,
    29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.
    30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God-and righteousness and sanctification and redemption
    31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”


    1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


    1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.
    19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, “He catches the wise in their own craftiness”;
    20 and again, “The Lord knows the thoughts of the wise, that they are futile.”

  6. Welcome wick422 and thank you for your insightful comment. I agree that many Christians are content with the authenticity of their faith, but not a blind faith even from a theological sense. However, as a Christian and an IDist I am even more excited about the time that we live in. Not only do Christians have the answer to the obvious immaterial existentialism, science everyday is authenticating the bankruptcy of the methodological worldview. The existential origin of things like faith, hope, charity and honor are notably absent from Atheistic naturalism.

    While atheists like Dawkins are blinded by their own faith in Atheism to hopeless irrational materialism; the Apostle Paul has shown us in that great Book of Romans what faith and hope is all about. To the Christians our faith and hope of the Kingdom of God is more real than the physical life. This is something that no atheists can understand and people like Dawkins and the SG-1 writers go bonkers over. They can’t see nor feel the extra-dimensionality of existence beyond the 3-D + time of materialism. Unfortunately they have imprisoned themselves in the smallness of their existence.

  7. Surely SG1 is attacking false religion? I used to watch SG1, but have only seen a handful of recent episodes, so I am not too familar with the Ori; perhaps you can help me. Are the ancients specifically interested in science or are they interested in Truth (the OP seems to make the assumption that science is necessarily opposed to religion)? And perhaps the Ori want to abuse religion for their own selfish purposes. Maybe this is truth versus falsehood, rather than science versus religion.

  8. Maybe this is truth versus falsehood, rather than science versus religion.

    I would agree with that but unfortunately this does not seem to be what the writers of SG-1 is projecting.

  9. What do you think of the Idea that Daniel Jackson may represent a prosylyte (sp?) of the Ancients Philosophy.

  10. What do you think of the Idea that Daniel Jackson may represent a prosylyte (sp?) of the Ancients Philosophy.

    Interesting observation! Daniel being the foremost authority on Ancients’ language, myths and was once an ascended being does make sense. The only problem I have is that I don’t see much difference between Ancients’ philosophy and Humanism, do you? In that sense there is not much to proselytize. Honestly I was happy to see them get rid of Jackson and brought in Jonas Quinn. I was hoping they would keep Jonas on the show. I’ve never liked the Jackson character even in the movie. He is too pompous, self-righteous and arrogant, even Rodney isn’t as obnoxious.

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