Jun 282006
 

I have to join in on the fun that UD and TT are having, except I like to follow the star of our little drama.

Posted by PZ Myers on June 24, 2006 04:35 PM (e)

Here’s what will blow your mind: I’d rather have open-minded, rational Christians on my side than dismissive anti-science types like yourself,

Don’t hold your breath. Open-minded, rational Christians know that you are an atheistic fundie and a heretic of science.

Posted by PZ Myers on June 24, 2006 02:28 PM (e)

do you think I know nothing about religion?

Yes. You’ve demonstrated that with your unsubstantiated attack on Lewis’s trilemma.

I was brought up in one, I live in a highly religious culture,

You’ve just proved my point. If you know anything about religion or at least the Christian kind, then you would know that being brought up in a religious home means zilch. Just like standing in a room full of monkeys doesn’t make you turn into a monkey. But then again PZ is an atheistic Darwinists so he would believe on credulity.

I get religion chucked at me every single day.

Man talk about paranoia.

I’ve read religious books with far more critical thought than I see from most of the people who demand automatic respect for religion.

It is more like you are reading religious books through the lens of your paranoia. This is why you failed to demonstrate any real critical thinking skills.

I see religion day after day, I see people practicing their religion regularly, I get to share my mornings at the coffee shop with the men’s bible study group that meets there”and everyone tells me that none of that is religion.

Who’s everyone? Go get some help PZ, not everyone is after you man. LOL!

Posted by PZ Myers on June 24, 2006 07:24 PM (e)

I do not:
1. threaten to shoot all the Christians,
2. call all religious people idiots,
3. suggest that we need to convert all the religious people to atheism, or
4. deny that religious people contribute to science.
I know. Hard to believe, isn’t it? ” creationism problem

I bet you probably want to.

Your friend here seems to be more honest.
Posted by Kevin from nyc on June 24, 2006 07:28 PM (e)

PZ

I am ver y very disappointed to hear that you do not advocate to

1. threaten to shoot all the Christians,
2. call all religious people idiots,
3. suggest that we need to convert all the religious people to atheism, or
4. deny that religious people contribute to science.
because you would have been 100% in the right to do so”

The final solution. Sieg Heil!
PZ: science is our strength
PZ: Atheism is a religion like good health is a disease.
PZ: The flip side of assuming a false virtue in religion is the denial of the power of science.
PZ: Albert Einstein could be such an asshole.
Lenny: Mothers would prefer their kid to marry a Nazi rather than an atheist?

Posted by Ed Darrell on June 24, 2006 07:45 PM (e)

Good science will get done.
Evolution will win in the free marketplace of good and noble ideas.
And if religion fails to work as much as Dr. Myers expects, it will fade away (but not before Christmas 2006).

edarrell: ” you have the gall to question my Christianity?”

Seriously, Lenny, the bottom line is that with the help of PZ Myers and other folks (like me) who have had all they can take with this country’s obsession with religious garbage, the influence of religion, i.e., “Christianity” , will be eroded.
Then we’ll get the prayers off our coins and out of our schools.

PZ:Look, the creationists and Christians are not stupid, OK?
PZ: science is our strength
PZ: Atheism is a religion like good health is a disease.
PZ: The flip side of assuming a false virtue in religion is the denial of the power of science.
PZ: Albert Einstein could be such an asshole.

Posted by dogmeat on June 28, 2006 02:49 AM (e)
I have a hard time with creationists claiming scientific “arrogance” when the entire concept of creationism is arrogant. An invisible man, in the sky, one we can’t comprehend, beyond all of our understanding, created us ” but did so to create us as “lords and masters” of all other creation. Men are created to rule over women. We are created in “God’s” image, etc. etc. etc. et al ad nauseum.

PZ:Look, the creationists and Christians are not stupid, OK?
PZ: science is our strength
PZ: Atheism is a religion like good health is a disease.
PZ: The flip side of assuming a false virtue in religion is the denial of the power of science.
PZ: Albert Einstein could be such an asshole.

Posted by Kevin from nyc on June 24, 2006 07:59 PM (e)
YES. Lenny you are a tiresome little twit and you should just SHUT UP or / and admit you were wrong.
are you really happy you elected GWB? and 9/11 and Iraq and bad science and killing trees and no stem cells and everything? are you really able to say that you are satisfied with your choice?

PZ: I’m utterly fed up with this asinine “it’s a political fight” crap. That’s a declaration of surrender.
PZ:Look, the creationists and Christians are not stupid, OK?
PZ: science is our strength
PZ: Atheism is a religion like good health is a disease.
PZ: The flip side of assuming a false virtue in religion is the denial of the power of science.
PZ: Albert Einstein could be such an asshole.

I decry the fact that the political base for the republican party has become so heavily dependent upon the fundies, “What president in recent memory (other than Carter, maybe) didn’t pander to religious right in one fashion or another?

PZ: I’m utterly fed up with this asinine “it’s a political fight” crap. That’s a declaration of surrender.
PZ:Look, the creationists and Christians are not stupid, OK?
PZ: science is our strength
PZ: Atheism is a religion like good health is a disease.
PZ: The flip side of assuming a false virtue in religion is the denial of the power of science.
PZ: Albert Einstein could be such an asshole.

Carol forgot to mention the Taliban were from Pakistan, and funded by the Republican USA CIA. IN the USA, the Taliban are called “home school groups” and “Christian Academies.” They are just the Republican (AKA: Religious Right) Taliban. These fundies are all the same; deadly and barely constrained. The burning and slaughter are never more than a moment away.
Even PT hosts people who are devoted to the death of species, and the destruction of civil government. Look up the Pacific Law Foundation: they are a pack of deadly supporters of species extinction, clear cutting and death. Tim Sandefur for these pigs and earns his living working to clear cut forests and eliminate protection of endangered species. Ed Brayton is his self-professed “libritarina” soul mate. They are scum that should not be entertained as “science” presenters or supporters. They can not be trusted further than they can be kicked. The Republican Jihad is nothing different from those creatures killing in the rest of the world.

The Republican attack on the environment and even Life on Earth was presented decades ago by Ronnie Raygun’s Secretary of the Interior James Watt,

There can be no doubt what so ever that the Republican Party and its base have abandoned the Constitution (particularly the First Amendment) and are actively attacking freedom, science and reason itself.

PZ: I’m utterly fed up with this asinine “it’s a political fight” crap. That’s a declaration of surrender.
PZ:Look, the creationists and Christians are not stupid, OK?
PZ: science is our strength
PZ: Atheism is a religion like good health is a disease.
PZ: The flip side of assuming a false virtue in religion is the denial of the power of science.
PZ: Albert Einstein could be such an asshole.

Hell, people are being killed because of Republican fascists ” Jack recieved a BA in anthropology and is a high school teacher. Fine. ” But again, based on my personal experience, I would not trust him any more than say John Baumgardner, or Ken Hamm. At that, I think better of Jack than Tim Sandefur, a legalist anti-environment, anti-science whore. The “pacific legal foundation” really belongs in the DI, or in hell.
Frankly, my wife and I are planning to get out of the USA as soon as possible.

PZ: I’m utterly fed up with this asinine “it’s a political fight” crap. That’s a declaration of surrender.
PZ:Look, the creationists and Christians are not stupid, OK?
PZ: science is our strength
PZ: Atheism is a religion like good health is a disease.
PZ: The flip side of assuming a false virtue in religion is the denial of the power of science.
PZ: Albert Einstein could be such an asshole.

Last but not least this gem from our always affable Dr. PZ Myers

But calling the science “irrelevant” is throwing away the sharpest tool in our toolbox. We are going to win people to the side of science and reason by promoting, well, science and reason. Stop running away from it! Stop being ashamed of the fact that the evidence is on our side! We aren’t going to win by engaging in theological debates, or by getting the right legislation, or by winning court battles– the way to win is by taking the ignorant by the scruff of the neck and dragging them outside and showing them that yes, the sky is blue, water is wet, the planet is round, and the earth is old. The science must be the linchpin of our strategy. When we teach people to think, science wins.

Thank you high priest PZ for dragging this arrogant, ignorant theocrat and showing me science. I am a true believer now. The sky is blue, water is wet, the planet is round, and the earth is old. How could I have ignored science for so long? Now please show me how you are turning a bacterium into a fish, a fish into an amphibian, an amphibian into a reptile and a reptile into a bird?

PZ:Look, the creationists and Christians are not stupid, OK?
PZ: science is our strength
PZ: Atheism is a religion like good health is a disease.
PZ: The flip side of assuming a false virtue in religion is the denial of the power of science.
PZ: Albert Einstein could be such an asshole.

  3 Responses to “Is There Trouble in Paradise?”

  1. PZ is so full of blinding rage and paranoia he really isn’t qualified to practice science. He’s little more than a bundle of contradictions.

    I don’t suppose there’s any point to saying it again, since it doesn’t seem to sink in, but no”none of this is about coopting science to promote atheism. It’s about getting people to overcome their revulsion at atheism so we can promote science.

    If PZ’s version of science, the science of atheistic Darwinian death worshipping cult, is not promoting Atheism. Why would people need to overcome their revulsion of atheism? Whether atheism is good or bad, (and it is bad, really, really bad) there is no doubt that people like PZ uses his brand of science to promote their religion of Atheism. Darwinian evolution is just a vacuous facade for the purpose of giving the illusion of science. No need for PZ to deny this by claim of senility, remember these little gems?

    the processes of science are antithetical to the processes of religion– personal revelation and dogma are not accepted forms of evidence in the sciences– and that people can encompass both clashing ideas is nothing but a testimony to the flexibility of the human mind, which has no problem partitioning and embracing many contradictions.

    They know that embracing science, critical thinking, and any effort at objective historical analysis utterly destroys fundamentalist religion and greatly weakens the cherished myths of even liberal Christianity. Skepticism is the antithesis of faith, and a science that encourages people to question is the enemy of a religion that demands people accept.

    Hello PZ is anybody home? People think that you are using science to promote Atheism, is because you are using your perverted view of science to promote Atheism.

    according to Provine, is federal funding of biological research. His thesis is that one of the fundamental reasons that compel most biologists to look the other way and not engage in disputes with religious overtones is simply the fact that the evolution = atheism equation is potentially very dangerous for their pockets. After all, most evolutionary biology research is funded through federal agencies such as the National Science Foundation. This is taxpayers’ money. What would happen if the taxpayers found out that their money is going to foster atheistic beliefs?

    Not so for William Provine. His answer is clear: there is nothing out there, we die in the most definitive sense of the word, and there is no point in even asking the question of the ultimate meaning of life. Where does he get this conclusion? From the Darwinian theory of evolution by descent with modification. According to Provine, not only there is no evidence for anything beyond matter, but the whole essence of evolutionary change should tell us that it is irrational to even look for it.

    Put that thinking cap that you claim to have on, PZ. Atheists like you promote Atheism under the guise of science all the time.

  2. Hey!

    I almost posted this as well.

    Salvador

    PS
    The text is coming up right justifiend, instead of left justified. Does it do that in your browser?

    Sal

  3. Thanks for alerting me to the text problem. It’s an IE thing. I think I’ve fixed it. 🙂 Let me know if you still have problem.

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