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PZ Myers of Pharyngula blog is a strident atheist. He is a biology professor who promotes Darwinian propaganda materials. Besides his usual Darwinian misrepresentation of science he likes to show his ignorance of religion, philosophy and Christianity.

Ted Haggard is one of those people I genuinely despise. He’s a major leader of a conservative evangelical organization,

” conservative evangelical organization” ? Is that Myers’ characterization or Salon’s I don’t know, but being the blowhard that he is, it is hard to imagine if he disagrees with that characterization he would not correct it. If Myers has any knowledge of Haggard and Christianity, he would know that neither his New Life Church nor NAE could be considered as conservative. This is just Myers bloviating from ignorance again.

I don’t know if Haggard is guilty of the accusation of homosexual acts or not, but the political implication is certainly not a point to be ignored. Even Myers sees the political implication of Haggard’s accusations.

Why don’t we instead see Haggard’s sanctimonious lies, his authoritarian appropriation of the church for the Republican party, ” as the real crimes here?

What a hypocrite. Does he not recognize his own crime of propagandizing for Atheism and the Democratic Party? He uses his name as a professor of the University of Minnesota, which receives government funding to promote his own philosophical and political agenda. That is the real crime.

Here is a quote from the AP story.

Jones said he decided to go public because he was also upset when he discovered Haggard and the New Life Church had publicly opposed same-sex marriage.

“It made me angry that here’s someone preaching about gay marriage and going behind the scenes having gay sex,” he said.

“I just want people to step back and take a look and say, ‘Look, we’re all sinners, we all have faults, but if two people want to get married, just let them, and let them have a happy life,'” said Jones, who added that he isn’t working for any political group.

Jones claimed that Haggard, 50, paid him to have sex nearly every month over three years. He said he advertised himself as an escort on the Internet and was contacted by a man who called himself Art, who snorted methamphetamine before their sexual encounters to heighten his experience

Jones claims to be having this homosexual relationship with Haggard for over 3 years. Did he just found out about Haggard’s hypocrisy? If Jones knew about Haggard’s hypocrisy earlier why didn’t he come out earlier, instead of waiting just before the election of a ban on gay marriage? I am no fan of Haggard but the timing of this accusation is highly dubious.

  15 Responses to “PZ Myers Shows Ignorance About Christians Again”

  1. Any way you look at it, the Ted Haggard situation is sad. Sad for Haggard, sad for his church, sad for the NAE, which does a lot of really good work. I wouldn’t be too hard on PZ for being ignorant of Christianity, though. Its my experience, that most atheists really don’t know what Christianity is really about and have a very misinformed view of orthodox Biblical Christianity.

    And, sadly, it is also true that Christians themselves have at times been less then good representatives of Christianity (the Haggard situtation but the latest example). But that only means what the Bible teaches: we live in a fallen world and none of us is perfect. Unfortunately, athiests like Dawkins and PZ think that Christians think of themselves as being perfect, which is certainly not true…far from it.

  2. Thank you DonaldM. You are right in everything that you’ve said.

    I only point out that Myers blindly slap labels on Christians to suggest extremism and disparage Christianity. What Myers and many other atheists fail to understand is that no individuals represent the validity of Christianity. The validity of all Worldviews must be evaluated based on its authoritative tenets. In the case of Christianity, it would be the Bible not Haggard, liberals or conservatives.

    Regardless of the extent of Haggard’s error, you are correct it is a sad day. Haggard’s Clintonesque explanation (if true) about meth does help. Then again Jones fails lie detector. Let’s see if Myers will as harsh on Jones as he is with Haggard.

  3. Of course Myers won’t be harsh on Jones.

    BTW, this is off topic but have you caught this article about Lee Strobel’s interview with Anthony Flew?

    http://www.leestrobel.com/newsletters/2006NOVEMBER/LS_TopAtheistBelieves_01Nov06.htm

  4. Sorry for being off topic, but here is a quote from Flew,

    “Einstein felt that there must be intelligence behind the integrated complexity of the physical world,” he said. “If that is a sound argument, the integrated complexity of the organic world is just inordinately greater — all the creatures are complicated pieces of design. So an argument that is important about the physical world is immeasurably stronger when applied to the biological world.”

    I thought that was well said.

  5. Thanks Jehu.

    You are right that is a very poignant statement by Flew.

  6. For what it’s worth, when Haggard appeared with Dawkins, I did not get a good feeling about Haggard. The vibes weren’t very warm. Who projects good vibes? Jay Richards and Stephen Meyer.

    Sal

  7. For what it’s worth, when Haggard appeared with Dawkins, I did not get a good feeling about Haggard. The vibes weren’t very warm. Who projects good vibes? Jay Richards and Stephen Meyer.

    Well, that would be tough to judge since Dawkins and his camera crew got to do all the editing. I doubt they were interested in showing Haggard in a positive light.

  8. This might be a small point, but in many of the article I’ve seen about this, Haggard is said to be the leader or spokesman for some 30,000,000 evangelicals. That is not true and very mis-leading. The National Association of Evangelicals, while an important organization, doesn’t claim to speak for all evangelicals. For sure none of the member organizations thought of the NAE President as their chief spokesperson.

  9. DonaldM,

    Well, it’s one of those things I kept to myself. Who was I to publicly say so and so gave me bad vibes. It’s not the first time I had bad vibes about someone and then they turned out rotten. Happened in a church I was a part of.

    Haggard, by the way, just admitted to committing immorality.

  10. My Christian perspective on Ted Haggard Fired by Church Overseers over Sex and Drug Sins

    Here’s another excellent perspective from the blog “The Point” from Prison Fellowship’s Breakpoint. Regis Nicoll is an excellent writer and thinker, usually on issues relating to science. Check out his Ted Haggard and the Challange of Finishing Well.

    Good stuff.

  11. teleologist:

    If Myers has any knowledge of Haggard and Christianity, he would know that neither his New Life Church nor NAE could be considered as conservative.

    In what ways is Haggard, his New Life Church, nor the NAE not conservative?

  12. Hi Bilbo,

    Please look at the link to my post at Calvinistic Fundamentalist. I explain my view of New Life from personal experience. I also gave a couple of other links to other Christians who have similar views of Haggard.

    The NAE as DonaldM has said does not speak for the diverse Christian community. As you might know NAE is mainly a politic organization, keeping Christian apprise of political issues.

  13. teleologist:

    Please look at the link to my post at Calvinistic Fundamentalist.

    Sorry, but how do I find that link?

    teleologist:

    The NAE as DonaldM has said does not speak for the diverse Christian community. As you might know NAE is mainly a politic organization, keeping Christian apprise of political issues.

    Yes, but my question is: in what way is the NAE not conservative?

  14. Hi Bilbo,

    The link I gave was in this comment. Ted Haggard Fired by Church Overseers over Sex and Drug Sins

    Yes, but my question is: in what way is the NAE not conservative?

    Another way of asking that is, how is the NAE conservative? It is not. NAE does not make theologically representative statements. It has a diverse mix of churches.

    However, that being said, NAE does have liberal members and the President of NAE is a liberal. Take for instance Haggard’s vision for expanding the NAE.

    Who Is an Evangelical?
    “When I became president of the NAE [National Association of Evangelicals],” Haggard tells the Inquirer’s Nussbaum, “the talk was about doing away with the term evangelical. Evangelicalism was morphing and changing so much that people were wondering if the term applied. The first decision I made as president was to start using the term prolifically and defining it simply. I define an evangelical as a person who believes Jesus Christ is the Son of God, that the Bible is the Word of God, and that you must be born again.” ”

    “Because, by your definition, Jimmy Carter is an evangelical.”
    “He is.”
    “Bill Clinton?”
    “He is an evangelical.”

    We can all claim the Bible is the Word of God, but how do we live that out. There is a huge difference between a Calvinist like myself and a charismatic how we live that out ecclesiastically. There would be a big difference between a fundamentalist and a Methodist view of sola scriptura.

    Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton might willingly accept a Buddhist into heaven but I would say the Bible does not support that. The NAE is fine as long as it stays in the political arena and out of theological issues. As such, the NAE is not conservative. It is open to interpretation whether you would like to make a case that the NAE is liberal, but certainly some of the members are liberal.

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