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May it never be! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.” (Ro 3:4)

Someone who actually visited emerging churches

Dan Kimball was so excited to have found someone to give emerging churches a favorable review. He sings nothing but praise about Bob Whitesel’s evaluation of emerging churches. On the other hand, he can’t help but to take a couple of jabs at his critics, which is unusual because emerging church leaders like Dan are so loving toward those who disagrees with them, unlike these people that he talks about here.

But, I go on certain web sites and blogs when “doctrine” is discussed (which it should be) and there are such mean, mean Christians who seem so bitter and angry and slam other Christians about issues and some doctrines that we just don’t know for sure about. We can say we think we know for sure, but we just don’t.

I seem to remember Dan’s good friend and partner Doug Pagitt in the emergent stream. Doug actually said this about Dan.

Dan Kimball is my friend, and an important part of my life. I am honored to be in ministry partnership with him.

But Pagitt also said this.

I think it might give you a more full understanding of the gospel than the one perverted by the likes of John MacArthur. I do not say “perverted” lightly, either. I really think what he communicates is so distant from the message of the Bible that it is dangerously harmful to people.

Was Dan referring to his friend and ministry partner when he said “there are such mean, bitter and angry Christians”? I doubt it. I haven’t seen anything from Dan that scolds Pagitt as a mean, bitter and angry Christian. Does this make Dan Kimball a hypocrite? You be the judge.
Let’s look at some of the things Dan said.

Bob has visited Vintage Faith Church two times … Unlike those who write about “the emerging church” either in books or blogs, yet never actually visit one or take the time to specifically talk to leaders of existing emerging churches … he wrote this after actually visiting 12 different emerging churches, so he could speak with more accuracy and authority about them.

Dan makes a good point here. Visiting a church once or twice is far better than reading the books, articles and interviews of these church leaders. What are people thinking, that emerging church leaders actually believe the things they write and say in interviews?

My point in this, is showing when someone actually does research before they write or post blogs, they will find that the “vast majority” as he reported and felt are orthodox theologically.

You said it Dan. Popping into your church a couple of times is actual research. Reading your books, blog, and articles? That’s just silly. We all know if someone is unorthodox theologically, every word and every sentence that comes out of their mount is full of heresies. I am sure if we drop you into the middle of a Mormon church without you knowing that it is a Mormon church. You will be able to pinpoint their heretical preaching after a couple times.

Bob didn’t do what I see as as a pattern and basically equate “the emerging church” to one or two people’s writings then say with authority that you have “the emerging church” all figured out.

This is another good point by Dan. People should not base their evaluation on your writing, McLaren, Pagitt, Bell, theOoze, which you link to. People should not rely on the writings of these acknowledged leaders of the emerging church movement. Leaders these don’t represent all “the emerging church”.

May people who feel they want to be vocal and write books, or send letters, or write blogs about “the emerging church” take Bob Whitesel’s lead and have enough integrity, respect and professional maturity to follow his example. You may not have the time to visit 12 different churches, but if you are determined enough to want to go and publicly expressing your opinion as facts and point out error – you certainly can have the decency to take even a small amount of time to go to some emerging church web sites and check them out or email the leaders so you aren’t propagating incorrect accusations and even slandering other Christians with generalizations and false accusations.

Dan, this part might be a bit harsh don’t you think? Are you sure that all those who criticize the emerging church never emailed a leader or talked to one? Never read your web sites? Do you really think they are just making things up out of the thin air? I think if you read one emerging church leader then you’ve read them all. They are all the same. Oh, wait… people don’t lump Mark Driscoll with the emerging churches. Why? Oh that’s right, he criticizes these leaders for their unbiblical views. Did you do that Dan? No? Instead, you promote their web sites and attend emergent direction conference with people like McLaren.

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